Podcast guest Kathryn Smith, Chief Executive of Social Care Institute for Excellence (SCIE), shares her opinion on the role of leadership with regards to retaining good staff and explains how effective leadership can bolster the care workforce. Kathryn also discusses how regular supervision with staff is a sign of good leadership and tells listeners that leaders should invest in co-production and involve people with lived experience to strengthen service delivery. Kathryn and podcast guest, Samantha Crawley, Chief Executive of Bracebridge Care, agreed that showing vulnerability and humility as a leader is key. Samantha says leaders should be ‘brave’ and Professor Green OBE echoed Samantha’s view that those in senior positions should lean in to times of crisis to overcome challenges with the team. Listeners will also benefit from hearing book recommendations, resources and finding out about training opportunities from podcast speakers on the topic of leadership.